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have to say big news sites are now saying what was obvious for a while a now Microsoft's annual report: A study in open-source awareness...and ignorance Posted by Matt Asay 2 comments In reading through Microsoft's annual report, I am struck by how far the company has come in appreciating the threat that open source brings to Redmond. I'm also shocked by just how ill-informed the company continues to be with regard to open source as a business strategy. Steve Ballmer has revealed this before in his quips about "Open source won't pay our bills," but here Microsoft has managed to enshrine its ignorance in a public document: Our business model has been based upon customers paying a fee to license software that we develop and distribute. Under this license-based software model, software developers bear the costs of converting original ideas into software products through investments in research and development, offsetting these costs with the revenue received from the distribution of their products. Certain "open source" software business models challenge our license-based software model....
A number of commercial firms compete with us using an open source business model by modifying and then distributing open source software to end users at nominal cost and earning revenue on complementary services and products. These firms do not bear the full costs of research and development for the software. Some of these firms may build upon Microsoft ideas that we provide to them free or at low royalties in connection with our interoperability initiatives. To the extent open source software gains increasing market acceptance, our sales, revenue and operating margins may decline. Yes to that last point, but no to Microsoft's earlier point about R&D costs (as well as its throwaway line that open source is building on Microsoft's ideas. This is undoubtedly true in some areas, but it also goes the other way, which Microsoft fails to acknowledge). Unless Microsoft is reserving that commentary exclusively for Red Hat and Novell and others like them that build on a community-developed platform like Linux, Microsoft's comments couldn't stray any farther from the mark. For most open-source companies, we spend significantly more of our money on research and development than Microsoft and its proprietary ilk do. That's one of the primary selling points for open source: We spend less on sales and marketing and more on developing our products. Microsoft's response to competition from open source? Although we believe the breadth of our businesses and product portfolio is a competitive advantage, our competitors that are focused on narrower product lines may be more effective in devoting technical, marketing, and financial resources to compete with us.
In addition, barriers to entry in our businesses generally are low and products, once developed, can be distributed broadly and quickly at relatively low cost. Open source software vendors are devoting considerable efforts to developing software that mimics the features and functionality of our products, in some cases on the basis of technical specifications for Microsoft technologies that we make available. In response to competition, we are developing versions of our products with basic functionality that are sold at lower prices than the standard versions. What Microsoft fails to mention is its own reliance on mimicking the features and functionality of others' products (Apple, WordPerfect, Sony PlayStation, etc. etc.). This is how the world works, Microsoft. It's how we progress as an industry instead of being forced to reinvent the wheel over and over. Microsoft has benefited from this as much as any other company, if not much more so. Microsoft is a strong company. It makes good products. It doesn't need to resort to half-truths to compete. As it notes, the breadth of its product line is its single-biggest differentiator right now, but it's also a potential Achilles Heel. Even so, as long as Microsoft continues to push forward rather than making a fetish of hoarding old markets, it will be fine. But if it continues to sacrifice the web to protect its desktop hegemony (while it fends off attacks from Apple and Google), and throws out the open standards and open source that drives successful web companies, it will rightly dwindle in importance and eventually die, however long that might take. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2008, 02:16:38 PM » |
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I didn't read the lot of it, I just skimmed it. They seemed to be saying a lot of things that are wrong. Microsoft is growing at the moment anyway, the fact that they can get through all the bad publicity shows that nothing can stop them.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2008, 02:29:24 PM » |
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Sounds to me like they've gotten too greedy...
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2008, 02:37:22 PM » |
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Sounds to me like they've gotten too greedy...
And Apple isn't?  No, people need to stop thinking just because they had a bad experience, dosn't mean they are going down the tubes for good. Look at apple, with their televisions, they failed at those, but did they shut down? No. |
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008, 03:31:33 PM » |
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I didn't read the lot of it, I just skimmed it. They seemed to be saying a lot of things that are wrong. Microsoft is growing at the moment anyway, the fact that they can get through all the bad publicity shows that nothing can stop them.
We have a winner  ! Microsoft has had an increase of some 30%! They have made/or are going to make some $60 Billion this year... Those people are just stupid, and don't like it when Microsoft grows, and becomes their worst nightmare. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2008, 05:53:33 PM » |
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http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MSFT#symbol=MSFT;range=1dmaybe they recouped a little, but they're starting to drop again and did you notice that big over drop? I'd hardly call that a gain for Microsoft..... and Ya sure I'm sure big companies like Cnet and ABC news are just going to let their people bash Microsoft for the fun of it......... if they did that their credibility would go down like rocks, they actually do what's called research, which if you look at that link you can see Microsoft are overall way down
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2008, 10:45:34 PM » |
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Open source software vendors are devoting considerable efforts to developing software that mimics the features and functionality of our products, Says the people who developed vista, which which uses many of the technologies made by opensource products such as compiz-fusion... They need to give up, make a large amount of their product opensource, and make f@#(#@ hardware. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2008, 11:16:58 PM » |
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I didn't read the lot of it, I just skimmed it. They seemed to be saying a lot of things that are wrong. Microsoft is growing at the moment anyway, the fact that they can get through all the bad publicity shows that nothing can stop them.
We have a winner ! Microsoft has had an increase of some 30%! They have made/or are going to make some $60 Billion this year... Those people are just stupid, and don't like it when Microsoft grows, and becomes their worst nightmare. gain anyone? http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MSFT#chart7:symbol=msft;range=20071101,20080801;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=onOpen source software vendors are devoting considerable efforts to developing software that mimics the features and functionality of our products, Says the people who developed vista, which which uses many of the technologies made by opensource products such as compiz-fusion... They need to give up, make a large amount of their product opensource, and make f@#(#@ hardware. Yeah, Compiz/XGL was there 3 years before the first betas of Vista. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2008, 11:49:05 PM » |
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I didn't read the lot of it, I just skimmed it. They seemed to be saying a lot of things that are wrong. Microsoft is growing at the moment anyway, the fact that they can get through all the bad publicity shows that nothing can stop them.
We have a winner ! Microsoft has had an increase of some 30%! They have made/or are going to make some $60 Billion this year... Those people are just stupid, and don't like it when Microsoft grows, and becomes their worst nightmare. What 30 % they had 16 % increase in total Revenue from 51 to 60 Billion 2007, but there net income did increase with about 20.xx %. But there market cap has gone down with almost 30 % since 02.01.2008-toady that means that they have lost about 67 billion dollars in less than a year  . Plus Zune and rest of the hardware part did not even break even last year. Red hat did increase there with almost 5 % in the same time and IBM are up 19 % and they are both big on linux and IBM are big on every thing |
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2008, 01:33:25 AM » |
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http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MSFT#symbol=MSFT;range=1dmaybe they recouped a little, but they're starting to drop again and did you notice that big over drop? I'd hardly call that a gain for Microsoft..... and Ya sure I'm sure big companies like Cnet and ABC news are just going to let their people bash Microsoft for the fun of it......... if they did that their credibility would go down like rocks, they actually do what's called research, which if you look at that link you can see Microsoft are overall way down Their crediability went into the crapper for me. They just want something to post about. Besides, that post seems like it is an "Opinion" section. Not real. I didn't read the lot of it, I just skimmed it. They seemed to be saying a lot of things that are wrong. Microsoft is growing at the moment anyway, the fact that they can get through all the bad publicity shows that nothing can stop them.
We have a winner ! Microsoft has had an increase of some 30%! They have made/or are going to make some $60 Billion this year... Those people are just stupid, and don't like it when Microsoft grows, and becomes their worst nightmare. What 30 % they had 16 % increase in total Revenue from 51 to 60 Billion 2007, but there net income did increase with about 20.xx %. But there market cap has gone down with almost 30 % since 02.01.2008-toady that means that they have lost about 67 billion dollars in less than a year . Plus Zune and rest of the hardware part did not even break even last year. Red hat did increase there with almost 5 % in the same time and IBM are up 19 % and they are both big on linux and IBM are big on every thing Thats good for you, but still, even if that 30% only amounts to 5% itself, that is HUGE for the amount of money Microsoft makes compared to RedHat. Oh, and the Xbox is getting more and more popular as the days pass, though they make nothing from the consoles, Xbox Live, the games, and soon to be Netflix, is all pure profit... |
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2008, 02:53:47 AM » |
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http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MSFT#symbol=MSFT;range=1dmaybe they recouped a little, but they're starting to drop again and did you notice that big over drop? I'd hardly call that a gain for Microsoft..... and Ya sure I'm sure big companies like Cnet and ABC news are just going to let their people bash Microsoft for the fun of it......... if they did that their credibility would go down like rocks, they actually do what's called research, which if you look at that link you can see Microsoft are overall way down Their crediability went into the crapper for me. They just want something to post about. Besides, that post seems like it is an "Opinion" section. Not real. I didn't read the lot of it, I just skimmed it. They seemed to be saying a lot of things that are wrong. Microsoft is growing at the moment anyway, the fact that they can get through all the bad publicity shows that nothing can stop them.
We have a winner ! Microsoft has had an increase of some 30%! They have made/or are going to make some $60 Billion this year... Those people are just stupid, and don't like it when Microsoft grows, and becomes their worst nightmare. What 30 % they had 16 % increase in total Revenue from 51 to 60 Billion 2007, but there net income did increase with about 20.xx %. But there market cap has gone down with almost 30 % since 02.01.2008-toady that means that they have lost about 67 billion dollars in less than a year . Plus Zune and rest of the hardware part did not even break even last year. Red hat did increase there with almost 5 % in the same time and IBM are up 19 % and they are both big on linux and IBM are big on every thing Thats good for you, but still, even if that 30% only amounts to 5% itself, that is HUGE for the amount of money Microsoft makes compared to RedHat. Oh, and the Xbox is getting more and more popular as the days pass, though they make nothing from the consoles, Xbox Live, the games, and soon to be Netflix, is all pure profit... I was only pointing out Red hat but if you compare IBM and Ms, IBM made 98 Billion dollars and MS did do 60 What 30 % only amounts of 5% itself ? I donīt fallow, If you are talking about my 5% thatīs value growth, if you have a 5 % what is that then? That 30 % you are talking about are 32 % and its the earnings growth per share Yeah Xbox is good and it will make money and now when Ms has figured out that you need exclusive games it might be real hit, many good games like one from the studio behind Max Payne. But Zune should be discontinued it will never be a hit. Office 2007 are the cash cow and live should be discontinued as well give it to Yahoo! MICROSOFT CORPORATION Segment Revenue and Operating Income (Loss) (In millions) Three Months Ended June 30, Year Ended June 30, Revenue 2008 2007 2008 2007 Client $4,367 $3,809 $16,865 $14,976 Server and Tools 3,737 3,084 13,170 11,171 Online Services Business 838 677 3,214 2,441 Microsoft Business Division 5,263 4,634 18,932 16,402 Entertainment and Devices Division 1,575 1,153 8,140 6,069 Unallocated and other 57 14 99 63 Consolidated $15,837 $13,371 $60,420 $51,122 Operating Income (Loss) Client $3,228 $2,778 $13,052 $11,467 Server and Tools 1,373 987 4,593 3,643 Online Services Business (488) (210) (1,233) (617) Microsoft Business Division 3,341 2,983 12,358 10,777 Entertainment and Devices Division (188) (1,223) 426 (1,969) Corporate-level activity (1,582) (1,326) (6,704) (4,777) Consolidated $5,684 $3,989 $22,492 $18,524 |
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2008, 03:01:58 AM » |
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I seriously can't see the end of Microsoft in anytime soon, even though, according to that information, it doesn't look too bright at the moment. They'll figure something out, I'm sure ^_^.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2008, 09:13:11 AM » |
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I agree not soon, but just when you compare that the overall trend they are going down bit by bit, year by year. give a decade, and well Microsoft will be a lot smaller company than they are now, that is unless they Midori Project turns out to be a huge success.....
TBH even if I did like windows though I wouldn't touch that I don't like the idea of my data being that easily accessible
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2008, 11:35:35 AM » |
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You guys do know, the day Microsoft ends, is the day the world plunges into something bad, right? Microsoft has so much in it, if it ended, the world would be in MASS CHAOS. And don't say it wouldn't, it would. Think if Google just disappeared, it would be like that with Microsoft, only like 10x+ WORSE.
Live Search
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2008, 11:37:27 AM » |
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He's right it has too much of a hand in everything. I watch MSNBC all the time!  |
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2008, 11:42:08 AM » |
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He's right it has too much of a hand in everything. I watch MSNBC all the time! Thousands of people would lose their jobs as well. You guys think it will be so awesome. But I bet once it did. You would not. Plus, you just can't get rid of Microsoft. You need to understand. Microsoft is always the last one standing... the sooner you come to terms with that, the better. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2008, 11:47:04 AM » |
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Microsoft is overall gaining value, you guys are just looking at today's or recent value changes. Aldo has the stocks as an applet on his desktop's sidebar. His always informing us of the changes over at MS Chat.
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2008, 11:54:17 AM » |
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Microsoft is overall gaining value, you guys are just looking at today's or recent value changes. Aldo has the stocks as an applet on his desktop's sidebar. His always informing us of the changes over at MS Chat.
Yes I am. And yes, you cannot look at 1 day. You need to look at overall. You need to investigate why. Why don't you guys go estimate the end days of Yahoo! their stock values keep dropping as Yahoo! keeps being a total jackass and declining Microsoft's offer, Microsoft's stocks stay the same, as Yahoo!'s go down and down. In fact, look: YHOO stocks are under $20. While MSFT is not in a gain right now, they aren't failing at all like Yahoo!, Yahoo!'s independent days are over, and nothing will stop them from being bought out, maybe not by Microsoft, but by someone else. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2008, 11:57:04 AM » |
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Live Search
Who cares, google search, yahoo search are a lot bigger than live search anyhow, no big deal there if live search just vanished
Live Email
lol people would just use gmail, ymail or another online mail service who cares again
Domains Live
yawn as stated above exept msn's online services are second rate at best
Windows
Ubuntu ot other os's are are gaining more popularity, big deal again peole would get used to it, in the servers where it matters for for profile stuff, it's alreayd linux/unix anyhow its only small pc' users who use windows really
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lol people would of said the same when Nintendo or sega went downhill big deal
MSN
Big deal second rate services compared to google
MSNBC
ever heard of proper news services like cnet or cnn? msnbc is again second rate news hardly anyone would miss
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Microsoft games roflmao there are a lot of other bigger games producers out there like blizzard,
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other second rate stuff.......
no microsofts only key component is windows and office software which is what they're losing out on, which the reason they tried so hard to get yahoo, and sheesh anyone would think you''re on microsofts payroll
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2008, 12:10:41 PM » |
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Ubuntu ot other os's are are gaining more popularity, big deal again peole would get used to it, in the servers where it matters for for profile stuff, it's alreayd linux/unix anyhow its only small pc' users who use windows really
Actually people wouldn't have time to get use to it. If Microsoft collapses it has to be fast, because they have too much money for it to slowly collapse, they'll be able to do seomthing drastic. So if Microsoft suddenly collapses everything would go nuts. People would lose billions of dollars, thousands of companies would crash, it would become a second great depression, there would be riots in the street. |
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