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[Primefalcon]

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,571,169.PN.&OS=PN/7,571,169&RS=PN/7,571,169

errr wasn't xml designed as a document exchange format? so basically doesn't this mean that Microsoft patented xml in a way? What a joke

edit: here's a link explaining it a little
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/microsoft-granted-patent-on-xml-word-processing-files.ars

[inp o҉rtb]

I think this means stuffing images and other auxiliary content into that XML file too.

[antimatter15]

Isn't the ODT format prior art? It began standardization at 2002 while this patent was applied in 2004.

[Primefalcon]

Isn't the ODT format prior art? It began standardization at 2002 while this patent was applied in 2004.

Maybe but now this is going to put a major dent into ODT plus OpenOffice which is probably what MS was hoping for, cause with this they can now sue OO for patent infringement even though they were doing it first. Way to go patent office, I'm thinking this will prob affect google docs as well.....

[antimatter15]

Isn't the ODT format prior art? It began standardization at 2002 while this patent was applied in 2004.

Maybe but now this is going to put a major dent into ODT plus OpenOffice which is probably what MS was hoping for, cause with this they can now sue OO for patent infringement even though they were doing it first. Way to go patent office, I'm thinking this will prob affect google docs as well.....

Nah, there's no way they could sue OO becasue OO is prior art.

[Primefalcon]

It may be but Microsoft have the patent on it now, so it's going to be something they'll wield around to try and leverage.

these patent office guys don't do much research though do they?

[ariarinen]

It may be but Microsoft have the patent on it now, so it's going to be something they'll wield around to try and leverage.

these patent office guys don't do much research though do they?

Well they won't have any leverage on OO and ODT, they have prior art and they are backed by a large patent portfolio as well. And software patents are just recognized by a handful of nations. 

Patent office might not do much research the inventors themselves have to step forward when when the patent application is reviewed. 
 

[Primefalcon]

It may be but Microsoft have the patent on it now, so it's going to be something they'll wield around to try and leverage.

these patent office guys don't do much research though do they?

Well they won't have any leverage on OO and ODT, they have prior art and they are backed by a large patent portfolio as well. And software patents are just recognized by a handful of nations. 

Patent office might not do much research the inventors themselves have to step forward when when the patent application is reviewed. 

Maybe but remember oracle bought out Sun micro-systems who were the principle maintainer of OO and they are founded and based in the United States, and also do business with a lot of the other said nations who do recognize patents, so this could very much affect OO

[ariarinen]

It may be but Microsoft have the patent on it now, so it's going to be something they'll wield around to try and leverage.

these patent office guys don't do much research though do they?

Well they won't have any leverage on OO and ODT, they have prior art and they are backed by a large patent portfolio as well. And software patents are just recognized by a handful of nations. 

Patent office might not do much research the inventors themselves have to step forward when when the patent application is reviewed. 

Maybe but remember oracle bought out Sun micro-systems who were the principle maintainer of OO and they are founded and based in the United States, and also do business with a lot of the other said nations who do recognize patents, so this could very much affect OO

It wont matter anyhow. There are already 100 or 1000's of patents concerning xml. And the use of the patent are the OOXML formats which are International Standard and then the use of the patent are more less free, as you can't profit or limit a standard like you please. And most important xml patents are held by IBM who back and use oo.o code and free software and has the worlds largest patent portfolio.

Oracle can stand their own, and there is probably some kind of cross-licensing agreement between them already. And Oracle gets their hands on more IPR from sun. No big deal at all.

 

[inp o҉rtb]

No, ODF is not prior art; AFAIK ODF is XML and binary resources inside a zipped package.

[ariarinen]

No, ODF is not prior art; AFAIK ODF is XML and binary resources inside a zipped package.

So is OOXML  but still both are standards so the patents are not important 

[Primefalcon]

No, ODF is not prior art; AFAIK ODF is XML and binary resources inside a zipped package.

So is OOXML  but still both are standards so the patents are not important 

To be honest I doubt Microsoft will push because of the exact reason you said, but don't you think they'll add it to their fud repertoire like their other 235 or whatever patent claims they keep yelling about and maybe sue any new comers? That don't have prior art....

It's still not a good thing

[ariarinen]

No, ODF is not prior art; AFAIK ODF is XML and binary resources inside a zipped package.

So is OOXML  but still both are standards so the patents are not important 

To be honest I doubt Microsoft will push because of the exact reason you said, but don't you think they'll add it to their fud repertoire like their other 235 or whatever patent claims they keep yelling about and maybe sue any new comers? That don't have prior art....

It's still not a good thing

Well if the patent claims would have been real they would have acted on it and went to court, but they haven't (tomtom FAT32 is an other story). And there is a rather large patent portfolio in place as deterrence now. 

[Primefalcon]

No, ODF is not prior art; AFAIK ODF is XML and binary resources inside a zipped package.

So is OOXML  but still both are standards so the patents are not important 

To be honest I doubt Microsoft will push because of the exact reason you said, but don't you think they'll add it to their fud repertoire like their other 235 or whatever patent claims they keep yelling about and maybe sue any new comers? That don't have prior art....

It's still not a good thing

Well if the patent claims would have been real they would have acted on it and went to court, but they haven't (tomtom FAT32 is an other story). And there is a rather large patent portfolio in place as deterrence now. 

We'll just see what happens, but remember Microsoft filed for this patent because thought thought they'd have some use for it.....

[inp o҉rtb]

No, ODF is not prior art; AFAIK ODF is XML and binary resources inside a zipped package.

So is OOXML  but still both are standards so the patents are not important

Therefore, OOXML also does not invoke the protection of this patent; neither does it constitute prior art. I'm not sure how efficient this novel method of storage is, but it might be good for CPU-limited devices...

[Primefalcon]

well the battle is still going on