Truth, Freedom, Democracy

[ultimatebuster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8fAlZDepM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

What do you think.


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[manicgames]

The government always wants to keep things covered up. It's been that way for a long time.

[ultimatebuster]

The government always wants to keep things covered up. It's been that way for a long time.

I'm glad that some people in the us still knows somethings may not be real

[manicgames]

I know that the government likes to keep thins under wraps, and they like to take sides.  I can guarantee if this war keeps going on, we will eventually be involved. Why? Because America can't stay out of peoples goddamn business.

[aldo]

Lol.

Of course governments cover up stuff, Area 51 for example, if we knew what really went on in there, people would probably freak out, and go into mass panic. Some things need to be kept undercover...

Anyways, I don't know if the USA will get involved in this, we are in Iraq (in that area), and I don't think people would be thrilled if we were in 2 places at once, lol.

[Myles Grey]

I haven't watched the videos (On dial-up), but I think I get the idea.

Of course governments cover up stuff, Area 51 for example, if we knew what really went on in there, people would probably freak out, and go into mass panic. Some things need to be kept undercover...

That's what I always say. If the government sees a need to cover things up then we should let them. It's usually for our own good. Even if you can handle the truth, it doesn't mean everyone can, and if you knowing means everyone knowing than that is probably a bad thing.

I think a republic (I'm sick of people saying democracy, it isn't) has good things and bad things to it though. With a monarchy everything that the government covers up is for our own good, otherwise some of it can be for their own good.

[primefalcon]

Big deal, from what I've seen Georgia attacked Russia, or at least massively provoked them, and then go crying when Russia retaliates.

I feel sorry for the people, but as far as the Georgian government is concerned, they should be handed over to Russia

[ariarinen]

Lol.

Of course governments cover up stuff, Area 51 for example, if we knew what really went on in there, people would probably freak out, and go into mass panic. Some things need to be kept undercover...

Anyways, I don't know if the USA will get involved in this, we are in Iraq (in that area), and I don't think people would be thrilled if we were in 2 places at once, lol.

You already are in 2 places at once. Dose Afghanistan ring a bell? check up the map Southwest Asia. And the US has moved some of its force to Georgia to supply food and other humanitarian help to its allied.

Russia is a master in media warfare as well as cyber the will start to attack gov sites and many other sites that support there enemy. Russia as bombed civilian targets, and they have shot at media in the area, they as hacked the Georgian govs website in Georgia and i Atlanta USA with distributed denial of service attacks.   
Look back at Estonia last year they did attack many important sites in both Estonia and countries who supported Estonia. 

[tcanswers]

Hmm.... It's probably good the government covers up some of the stuff they do.

[ultimatebuster]

Hmm.... It's probably good the government covers up some of the stuff they do.

true, if they don't, some people who believe everything they see on tv is going to freak out.

[primefalcon]

there's been witnesses in south ossetia however you spell it, Georgia started this by ethnic cleansing. well the Georgian president did, I hope the Russians keep to their guns about demanding justice one way or another against him

[ultimatebuster]

there's been witnesses in south ossetia however you spell it, Georgia started this by ethnic cleansing. well the Georgian president did, I hope the Russians keep to their guns about demanding justice one way or another against him

yeah! go russians

[Slittzle]

Honestly truth, freedom and democracy are all relative concepts.
What you call Freedom, I call slavery.
What I call democracy, you call facism.
What we call lies, they call another side of the truth.

[stang45]

Yes we are in two places at once. We are in Iraq and we are in Afghanistan. But we only have a limited/small supply of military in Afghanistan supposedly looking for Osama Bin Ladin. And yes the military covers up everything. They do that for a reason. They know that if we the American public actually understand why they do some things we will retaliate, riot, and protest.

[ariarinen]

there's been witnesses in south ossetia however you spell it, Georgia started this by ethnic cleansing. well the Georgian president did, I hope the Russians keep to their guns about demanding justice one way or another against him

South Ossetia are bunch of lairs, there have been neutral witnesses in Georgia as well that the Russian and militia groups are doing ethnic cleansing and looting and burning the area. They did bomb civilian targets with cluster-bombs. Georgia are home to one of the few non-Russian Gas-pipes that provides EU with Natural GAS and Russia dose not like that  . That´s the response so they could bomb that pipeline.   

Russian response are well out of proportion "peacekeepers" will be in the line of fire and they know it. Russia dose not respect the case fire at all yesterday Russian "peacekeepers" was trashing police cars in Gori just for fun with there BMP-2.   

Most refugees victims in the conflict are ethnic Georgians!    

Russia has deployed SS-21 Scarab short-range tactical ballistic missile in South Ossetia.

Good that the Georgian did know to ditch there  M-4 in favor of the AK-47 

And it will boost defense spending in all states bordering Russia to react to future Russian aggression   

[Slittzle]

The invasion of Afghanistan by the US is one of the most overlooked events in recent History. Yes troops are still there, but people constantly remark about how bad Iraq has become, but there's very little comments or criticisms against what happened and what's going on in Afghanistan. They bombed the crap out of Afghanistan, think Iraq but no discrimination against what they attacked.

In Iraq during the first surge they had a strict no bombing over or fly over on Mosques, while in Afghanistan - everything was up for bombing including dense civilian areas and mosques. The general public opinion on invading Afghanistan was fairly supportive, with more people generally accepting and supporting the attack - it's nuts when you realize that some of the sentiments being expressed at the time were just flat out racism, and hatred for a culture that was only moderately different from their own

[ariarinen]

The invasion of Afghanistan by the US is one of the most overlooked events in recent History. Yes troops are still there, but people constantly remark about how bad Iraq has become, but there's very little comments or criticisms against what happened and what's going on in Afghanistan. They bombed the crap out of Afghanistan, think Iraq but no discrimination against what they attacked.

In Iraq during the first surge they had a strict no bombing over or fly over on Mosques, while in Afghanistan - everything was up for bombing including dense civilian areas and mosques. The general public opinion on invading Afghanistan was fairly supportive, with more people generally accepting and supporting the attack - it's nuts when you realize that some of the sentiments being expressed at the time were just flat out racism, and hatred for a culture that was only moderately different from their own

The diffrent might be the fact that Afghanistan is a UN sanction mission Iraq was not. ISAF is a NATO-led security and development mission with a total of 53000 troops from over 40 countries. US has 32,500 troops in Afghanistan (23,550 in ISAF rest are under US command).   


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ISAF.png

[ultimatebuster]

ariarinen, i'm sorry, but russians are right about this poop. georging launched an attack first which killed nearly 2000 civilian. south os. has nearly no troops of itself, there are only russians troops, which end up retaliate

gtg away from computer fast.... sry for the crap english,\/'



there is no shortcut for post? that's stupid

[ariarinen]

ariarinen, i'm sorry, but russians are right about this poop. georging launched an attack first which killed nearly 2000 civilian. south os. has nearly no troops of itself, there are only russians troops, which end up retaliate

gtg away from computer fast.... sry for the crap english,\/'



there is no shortcut for post? that's stupid

Georgia might have launched a attack first on its own territory remember that South Ossetia,
Abkhazia are not internationally recognized.
The 2000 killed are a estimate and claim ain´t a fact its propaganda to justify your own involvement and make the other one look bad.
And the confirmed number are statistically flawed 60-200 confirmed are a big difference. If its confiremd you should be able to tell the exact number and not have a fail safe of 140 people.
Human Rights Watch have confirmed 44 killed and 273 wounded. 

The number killed will fall when more neutral observers can see the area. Take Tskhinvali witch Russia claimed to be burned to the "ground like Stalingrad", Witch they later had to change to "Russia admitted that only 20% of some 7,000 buildings in Tskhinvali suffered any damage"
Russian claims has very little credibility left, "We never use cluster bombs. There is no need to do so." Why is there evidence on the ground that tells otherwise 

There are much more rapport´s by neutral help organizations and media that they Russian and separatist side are committing different kinds of war crimes. (And they do that when they can´t be trailed like the other side can).

Military of OS is 5,000 in service and number of reserves Abchasia has total of 18,000 and a air-force. Georgia has 37,000 in active service and many of those are in UN or Nato, EU led operations in the world like Kosovo, Iraq...     

The war in total can end up in 2000 people first attack did not do much damage.

Russian soldiers in an BTR-80 APC is stealing US Humvees in Poti.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/world/5952602.html

Russian soldiers robing a bank in Gori (security cam) 
http://www.seriousurls.com/link/17845dd3

[general vegitable]

the problem with all of them is that you can become corrupt though them, you could use truth to blackmail your way up the chain of command, use your freedom to get into the senate, and democracy to overthrow the presedent and become in charge of any country you want, in the u.k all polotitions are corrupt, all good ideas are silenced, and the bad ones go up the list of priorities, e.g we encourage the use of public transport, but its so poor that no-one uses it. the worst example is the trains, they need more funding, but the government tries to encourage people to use it, but its in such a poor condition that nobody wants to