Where to Share Adult 110MB sites in the Forums

[Satori]

So I was looking at this thread:

http://www.110mb.com/forum/free-gayyaoibara-comics-t27041.0.html

...and wondered, where would the appropriate place to share an adult 110MB site be?  Other than in 110MB's directory, that is.  I couldn't ask, since the thread was locked.  I was going to e-mail staff and ask, but I reasoned that other 110MB users might want to have access to the answer as well.  It made sense to ask in the forums, so 110MB's staff doesn't have to keep getting e-mailed with the same question.

[Ykhare]

They want their website to be accessible to underage readers so they can't allow that on it.

Except maybe if they made some forum section that would open only for people who've declared they're old enough through their profile birthdate.

But I'm not sure it would really be worth it. And if even if age-limited, it still could be a problem regarding some advertisers' policies (Google Adsense : no content unsuitable for minors anywhere, sitewide).

So well, advertise through the proper venues, elsewhere ? Directories with an adult section, etc...

[VolksBlade]

yes BUT in 110mb's TOC it states that you can have a Adult oriented site (unless if the models are under 18 or so called minors) therefor there should be a part about adult oriented stuff on 110mb's forum i mean whats the point of allowing the adult oriented stuff if you cant even discuss your 110mb site on the 110mb forum?

it doesent make no sense.. thats my 2Cents for this topic..

[inp o҉rtb]

I don't see the connection you're trying to draw here. Making an adult site and advertising it on a particular forum are completely separate events.

[Satori]

I don't see the connection you're trying to draw here. Making an adult site and advertising it on a particular forum are completely separate events.

I'm not sure if you were talking to VolksBlade or to me.  I was asking where it was appropriate for members who have made Adult sites to share them with the 110MB community, since they can't do so in "Let Us See Your Website!".  What particular forum that is according to policy, I'm not particularly concerned about.  I'd just like to know where that is.  It would stand to reason that there would be an appropriate forum for it - or that staff would want to implement one - because otherwise Adult sites are disabled versus non-Adult sites, and the staff here are more than fair people.  Perhaps they have a different take on it, but it does seem unlikely to me that they would.


Be well,

- Satori

But I'm not sure it would really be worth it. And if even if age-limited, it still could be a problem regarding some advertisers' policies (Google Adsense : no content unsuitable for minors anywhere, sitewide).

I get the feeling you'd be a lot more sure it was worth it if the site you ran were "Adult", although I may be wrong.

I hadn't known that about AdSense; thanks for the info.  Makes me wonder how 110 can have some users with AdSense when other users on the server have Adult pages.  But then, I've always been a curious person by nature.


Be well,

- Satori

[Krickët]

I hadn't known that about AdSense; thanks for the info.  Makes me wonder how 110 can have some users with AdSense when other users on the server have Adult pages.  But then, I've always been a curious person by nature.

Adsense doesn't see 110mb as a whole with all of it's users. It sees each site as it's own and only counts links on those sites and so on. It doesn't matter if you have an adult site because that won't effect my adsense. There isn't a relation there.

Also, perhaps search for adult content on 110mb and pm users who have sites that maybe you'd like to link to or something. Or start your own forum for adult site exchange. You can share your 110mb site with more than just 110mb.

[Diemux]

Advertising adult material websites on other sites: your fine.

We don't allow advertising of adult material websites on this 110mb forum, reason is that we have a lot of minors here and we want to prevent them from seeing material they aren't allowed to see.

[Satori]

Advertising adult material websites on other sites: your fine.

We don't allow advertising of adult material websites on this 110mb forum, reason is that we have a lot of minors here and we want to prevent them from seeing material they aren't allowed to see.

Thanks, Diemux.

Okay, I guess I just don't get the rationale.  It's not like minors can't look in the 110MB directory and click on the Adult links, so it doesn't seem like they're very prevented from anything.  And yet because there's no single officially designated place (other than, again, the directory) to show off a 110MB Adult site - whether it's here in the forums or on another server somewhere - there's no place someone can go to see what 110MB users have put up and be sure it's comprehensive, and be able to discuss the sites with their creators.  Lose/lose situation.

But this is the part where I smile, shrug, and cut 110MB a little slack.  It's hard to nominate people for canonization and complain about their idiosyncratic policies simultaneously.

[Diemux]

Ofcourse there are other ways for minors to see adult material but we got a few complaints of minors who were on the support forum while there parents walked in. Parents saw 5+ adult oriented websites in the "let us see your website" section and went crazy, understandable. Therefor we banned advertising of adult sites on this forum, the least we can do.
 

[Satori]

Ofcourse there are other ways for minors to see adult material but we got a few complaints of minors who were on the support forum while there parents walked in. Parents saw 5+ adult oriented websites in the "let us see your website" section and went crazy, understandable. Therefor we banned advertising of adult sites on this forum, the least we can do.

I don't have to do the hard work involved in maintaining a kickass host like 110MB, so I shouldn't whine about not getting to define your policies.  But it would be nice to have somewhere, on whatever server, that people all knew to go to discuss and critique the Adult sites 110MB users have put up.  And the only way that's feasible is if 110MB establishes one, and directs people to go there when it locks threads like the one I'd cited and says, "You can't discuss that here."  Alright, where does everybody go to do that then?  If it comes down to "they're all scattered around somewhere on the internet" because there's no standard, it kind of makes it tough to discuss, critique and collaborate.

"Parents went crazy so we altered our policies" is a weird and pervasive societal phenomenon itself, when you think about it.  Like the McDonalds-coffee-on-the-lap-lawsuit, or the can't-take-a-nail-file-onto-an-airplane-now.  It's just "Nerfing" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerf_%28computer_gaming%29) the world, I guess.  So it's outre whenever I see people doing it.  I'm not here to debate the pros and cons of an entire societal mindset, but when I see people perpetuating it in their choices I like to point out to them that it's another drop in a pretty dysfunctional bucket.  Every time someone makes a choice to nerf Person A to "be fair" to Person B, they're robbing Peter to pay Paul (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/rob+Peter+to+pay+Paul) and that's anything but fair.  So the thing to do would seem to be find something where everyone's interests are served.  By designating an appropriate place for that aspect of web-design discussion, and referring people there.

But I'm not here to stir up trouble.  I wanted to ask, point out the problem and the need for a solution, and leave it alone.  I think my point is pretty clear, so I won't harp on it.

Thanks again, Diemux.


Be well,

- Satori

[Diemux]

I really understand your opinion/point of view but the choice has been made after some discussions behind the scenes. But if you think of it, why isn't it fair to ban mature content from this forum?

- The majority of members here on the forum is under the age of 18
- 75% of the topics which promoted adult websites caused discussions/flamewars about their content
- A pretty big part of the community is from the Eastern countries, which caused complaints because they were offended by the content (due to their believes/parenting)
+ (also very important) 99.99% of the adult websites host illegal content or just links to it. As hosting material which is copyrighted is against 110mb TOS, many sites are already against TOS (but most of the time allowed to a certain point)

So if you compare the pro's against the con's (con's= against ban, provided by you) the pro's are more important to 110mb.

I understand what you mean with "110mb should provide something for us" but that is next to impossible as we don't have the time to check people's age and adding them to a certain usergroup which do have access to such a medium.

[meep-online]

Well, why doesn't somebody set up an 110mb Adult Discussion board, as an independant site? - possibly hosted on 110mb

That would mean that adult discussion would be kept well away from the 110mb forum, and 110mb could even support the forum or something. Its just an idea...

Cameron

[Satori]

You make good points, Diemux.  In fact, there's only one or two small things I would be able to add to answer your question.

... But if you think of it, why isn't it fair to ban mature content from this forum?

- The majority of members here on the forum is under the age of 18

Hindering the rights of a group because they're in the minority, and it's more convenient for the majority to do so, is democracy.  If the internet went with the majority then none of this would be here, it would all be streaming video of football, reality shows and Paris Hilton.   

- A pretty big part of the community is from the Eastern countries, which caused complaints because they were offended by the content (due to their believes/parenting)

I'm big on respecting peoples' differences.  But that appears to be - unless I'm missing something crucial - the same "parents went crazy so we changed our policies" reasoning.  Having evaluated that, I can't see how "parents in the Eastern countries went crazy so we changed our policies" makes it any better.  But then, I admit I don't know 110mb's prioritization to begin with.

+ (also very important) 99.99% of the adult websites host illegal content or just links to it. As hosting material which is copyrighted is against 110mb TOS, many sites are already against TOS (but most of the time allowed to a certain point)

That's interesting, I hadn't considered that.  It is difficult to believe that 99.99%, literally, do that.  And of course, I can't assess it for myself since the Adult site links don't exist in a centralized repository.  I'll trust your figure; you're an Admin, and you deal with this kind of stuff - you know whereof you speak.  I'm still concerned for the .001% guy (minority/majority, above), but then I'm an underdog sort of person myself.

So if you compare the pro's against the con's (con's= against ban, provided by you) the pro's are more important to 110mb.
I understand what you mean with "110mb should provide something for us" but that is next to impossible as we don't have the time to check people's age and adding them to a certain usergroup which do have access to such a medium.

I think we're seeing eye to eye on it, Diemux (not that we have to obviously, you're staff and I'm not), but all I was suggesting was that 110MB officially designate a place to discuss the Adult websites, so that everyone would go to the same place for it.  Designating =/= Creating+Moderating, right?  It could be somewhere off-server - or a bulletin script on a 110MB user's page, even.  Somebody must want the traffic.  Staff could designate it as the place for that sort of development in a FAQ or Sticky, refer users to it when locking Adult threads, and wash their hands of the whole business.  Granted it would be someone's problem, but lack of authority on the part of 110mb over an off-site forum would equal a lack of accountability.  "Discussion of Adult sites in 110mb's forums violates our policies.  At the request of our users, a forum has been designated for such discussions at www.SomewhereVeryFarAway.org.  110MB is not affiliated with SomewhereVeryFarAway.org, and is not responsible for its content.  Your co-operation is appreciated."  Simple, yes?

I'm sorry, I thought I had gotten that across when I said talked about designating a place for it, in my previous posts.  But then, I'm used to researching law and having to use words very precisely... sorry if it wasn't clear earlier.  Heh, I keep thinking I'm done posting on this thread, and then there's something that didn't quite come across.  It's like eating potato chips, one after the other.   

While I was typing all this, Meep checked in with their post.  Yes Meep, that's what I was trying to suggest!   


Be well,

- Satori

[cms07]

Ofcourse there are other ways for minors to see adult material but we got a few complaints of minors who were on the support forum while there parents walked in. Parents saw 5+ adult oriented websites in the "let us see your website" section and went crazy, understandable. Therefor we banned advertising of adult sites on this forum, the least we can do.

Exactly, and quite frankly I'd rather not see adult content, ("But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.", Romans 13:14), but think if my parents saw that, then I'm banned from computer use, cms07 is deleted for inactivity, and Oh the terror!
So It's a good rule.
Also:
"11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:11-13) and other text.

[VolksBlade]

i have a simple and quick idea for this whole problem and its as easy as creating another section (as in like "General Chat") and call it Adult Section

have it password protected, and to get the password you have to have a adult site such as www.adultexample.110mb.com

a admin will check it out see if its legit then send them a pm with the password with a warning not to spread the password

simple, for the simple-minded (me), and dude i TOTALLY pegged you as a lawyer just by the big @$$ words you used.. lol

[inp o҉rtb]

Then it would be even more obvious. If a parent comes by and sees "ADULT CONTENT HERE" on the forum, you think he/she's gunna click the link and find out before banning the site forever? I'm all for the detached unofficial adult forum idea.

So who wants to get the ball rolling by setting up a forum? Satori? You seem very eager to dig in.

[Satori]

Preferably it would be someone with an Adult site... of which I have none.  That way they wouldn't destroy their lilly-white AdSense reputation with Google by hosting "Adult content", yes?  Never mind that it isn't actually Adult content, it's freaking web-design conversations about sites that have Adult content on them.

By extension, we shouldn't even be having this conversation in the Forums.  Because it's a discussion about the idea of having web-design conversations about sites that have Adult content on them.  And that's wrong.


Hee.

[inp o҉rtb]

So. Is this discussion over? Or will we continue to look for a satisfactory answer?
(I'm asking you because it's your thread.)

[VolksBlade]

Then it would be even more obvious. If a parent comes by and sees "ADULT CONTENT HERE"

then instead of "Adult Section" make it "Underground" and make the description "If you know the password your in, if not your not" that way it doesent give the impression of a adult thing and no parent will be the wiser

[inp o҉rtb]

Oh, so now 110mb.com's into deception? You can do that with your private forum, but I don't think that's very good for business.